Original Message 1/32                 Date: 15-Jul-04  @  03:07 PM   -   this is how we do it

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A Republican strategy - to cast votes in the dark of the night while newspapermen are home sleeping (we're talking 3 in the morning).

"At 2:54 a.m. on a Friday in March," he begins, "the House cut veterans' benefits by three votes. At 2:39 a.m. on a Friday in April, the House slashed education and health care by five votes. At 1:56 a.m. on a Friday in May, the House passed the tax-cut bill, weighted especially towards millionaires, by a handful of votes."

"At 2:33 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House passed the Medicare privatization bill by one vote. At 12:57 a.m. on a Friday in June, the House eviscerated Head Start by one vote. And then, after returning from summer recess, at 12:12 a.m. on a Friday . . . the House voted $87 billion for Iraq," he continues.

"Always in the middle of the night, always after the press had passed their deadlines, always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed."

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Message 2/32                 Date: 15-Jul-04  @  04:42 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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this is how i do it.

went to see that pile of crap yesterday.. aargh, puts you to sleep, but i guess it's designed for american consciousness. i happened to point out in the 'my son is dead!' scene that a good way to condone bush's little exploits is to actually buy gas (believe it or fucking not)

the robot behind me says "think it through.. to take food on the roads.. for movies.." basically because a moron is incapable of separating gas from food or movies from entertainment. all the time with the slow nod and this thick web of accomplice, "knowing" on his mug.

"think it through.."

after the movie i addressed his cultural intelligence. his daughter, bright spark did the "but without gas, this shirt.." so buttons all over the room. we've got an audience now, so it's time for her to start pointing fingers and accuse me of saying the shit ignorance that her dad said.

i'm a bit tall and all, so i crouch down and put my finger up to her face, "now look me in the eye and tell me that i said that again.." so fuckwit dad is grabbing my hand and telling me to watch it. evidently NO ONE shall point a finger at his daughter. we got a circle of ushers now.

"i got no problem, but i'd like to hear you not falsely accusing me of saying what your dad says" and they're staring at me for a couple of seconds before they realise that they're attempting to implicate me in a violent scene as a surrogate for confronting their irresponsibility, but that they're revealed as barefaced liars now.

"think it through.." the bushes of the actual world are a viral form inhabiting burgeoning gasoline trade. it's damn simple. preventing burgeoning gas trade prevents bushes. bush is a completely natural occurence that pops up whenever you have mass irresponsibility in this fashion.

unless we identify the cause, we're only dealing with symptoms. i've got nothing better to do than to point this out to people first hand in life.

i guess that's what it's going to take. personally, it's a lot of bother and i'd really just rather see us all burn because if each person would rather see me in a fight for speaking the damn truth over just simply admitting their dependence on ding dongs has fucked us all, well..

that's the first step people, renounce the ding dong. like most artifacts, it's a piece of enslavement technology. why you gotta all be so unable to devise your own instruments and methods of amusement.

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Message 3/32                 Date: 15-Jul-04  @  09:58 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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Ya know, i agree with ya xoxos... it's monstrous and until we get to the seed it will continue to grow...

but there's an old buddhist saying...

If you are struck with an arrow, do you wander around refusing medical aid until ou've identified the archer? Or do you get it treated and then worry about who's trying to kill you?

Well, there's two answers of course... and I think they really depend on how eminent the danger is. Either way, as a culture, as an "event" on this earth, we are hemorrhaging and man, right now it's a gusher. Perhaps some are working to get the arrow out before taking their sorry aim at the unknown...

maybe

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Message 4/32                 Date: 16-Jul-04  @  01:19 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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heh. xoxos tried to fight a little girl

man...I wish I coulda seen that. and the dad acting like you were truly assaulting her.

I cant quite get what happened...he said something, and then she said YOU said it?

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Message 5/32                 Date: 16-Jul-04  @  04:44 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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it's hard to believe someone....especially a little girl... could've misinterpreted
anything you said...x.


yeah...but a tall man putting his finger in the girl's face....well.....

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Message 6/32                 Date: 16-Jul-04  @  04:39 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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inserting meaningless data into a dispute is like "being a girl 101.." yeah, she just started making this absurd pronounciation like she wasn't done arguing with me.

beats me, perhaps she was playing with her dad, or perhaps she was trying to play the 'girl intimidation' card..

people with so many arrows in them should really start keeping an eye out.. especially when they go around saying "think it through." your typical industrialist looks like they're running an arrow repository.

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Message 7/32                 Date: 16-Jul-04  @  10:54 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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when a lot of em need an arrow SUPpository instead?

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Message 8/32                 Date: 17-Jul-04  @  03:40 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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It's a bizarre world Xoxos. That's why people like you have to keep your wits about you. And there are lots of others like you so don't feel isolated in that city Wherethefuckami, USA. In a way I'm lucky to live in New York City. You can say whatever you want. It's just that whatever you say nobody believes cuz most people in NYC are scheisters.

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Message 9/32                 Date: 17-Jul-04  @  04:23 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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not so much a 'forbidden from speaking' but the shock of opening my mouth and breaking the eaon-long pristine silence of complete acceptance. the visibly uncomfortable unfamiliarity with connecting facts..

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Message 10/32                 Date: 18-Jul-04  @  01:37 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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perhaps more effective__occasionally...would be to simply present the facts....in such a way as to appear helpful and generous...
instead of bashing them in often nearly-incomprehensible phraseology with threatening physical accompaniment.

a 15-year old girl certainly can't be guilty of eons of not connecting the truths...as you might see them.
she is merely a dot in a long line of dots.
if you really want to break the line it's worth trying to connect with her in a less incendiary manner.
of course she can act like she's eons worth of purist wisdom....perhaps even buddha herself.
sometimes all you can do is laugh and go on about the business of helping those who might actually perceive and appreciate your efforts as such.
otherwise we end up in the business of putting others out of their misery.....
and there are still laws against that.

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Message 11/32                 Date: 18-Jul-04  @  04:30 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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a 20-odd year old woman should be capable of separating ideology from a shirt, and a 50 year old man should be mature enough to allow someone to point a finger without feeling the urge to grab it.

a five year old should realise that gasoline is not a necessary ingredient for food. i don't see where the incomprehensible phraseology is in that, but if you wish to continue to generalise in regards to my behaviour to conveniently view me as you wish to to please your own sensibilities, it doesn't matter to me.

btw i have new music up. if you like, you can give me recommendations on how i should finish and market it.

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Message 12/32                 Date: 18-Jul-04  @  05:01 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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x... you're one of my very fave personalities here and you know that.

i simply would like to know your encounters are less fraught with
conflict and that perhaps you might score some occasional small joyous victories in your quest to enlighten those of us who really do need a good wake-up-slap occasionally...if not all day long.

i picked 15 years since without much information i figured 15 to be in between 10 and 20 and i was guessing she wasn't 7.
unfortunately 20 makes her closer to being shiva and you dropping your drawers and enlightening her to your powers would've probably been absolutely required
for her to understand a damned thing about what you were saying.
i'm guessing she liked you and your father would have no part of that.
anyway...so it is with beasts and little princesses.
you should've given her your number and invited her to debate you this even further when she was finished with daddy.
nevertheless i commend the 2 of them for at least having gone seen the movie together.

anyway.....
i look forward to hearing your new stuff....as always.

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Message 13/32                 Date: 18-Jul-04  @  05:34 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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i actually had an interesting encounter myself last week at a taco-shop where i was quietly eating my lunch...facing the entire venue (quite large and clean by most taco-shop standards...this was a to-do conservative neighborhood after all).

anyway....across from me sits this rather swaggering, loud, stocky, baseball-hatted...tiny blue-mirrored sunglassed...obviously conservative macho
40-somethingish...i'll just call him baseball dad.
he sits facing me and answers his cell-phone and it seems someone (nephew son friend?) is asking him to go see faranheit 9/11 upon which he LOUDLY goes on
with his rant about moore being a slob and unamerican and i'll never go see that guy's trash....he hates america!!!! on and on> "everything that comes out of his fat mouth is trash....i've been studying him and he's worthless" etc....basically looking at me and me trying to ignore him...which was a task i failed miserably at...and
so i decide to reciprocate him with acknowledgment that
half of his performance IS directed towards me as much as it is to the person on the other end of the phone....thusly i return eye contact and sadly shake my head.
anyway, their conversation ends and he finishes his meal...and rather hastily gets up to go.
as he comes nearer to me to empty his trash i say to him
(not loud or aggressive)...

you know...you really should go see that movie.

he says: i'll never go see that piece of trash ever.

i say (not to waste any time)>
well...from what i can see it looks like you've been sitting there for 3 1/2 years watching 24/7 the most highly televised manipulation ever known to man so as to rob you your hard-earned taxpayer money so we can go bomb and attack a nation who has never attacked us.... and yet you can't give a guy 2 hours of your time to hear something different than what your tv is feeding you.

at this point his basic impulse was to reach into my booth and start pummeling me....which i could easily sense was the case.
he knew i knew this was an easy scenario to follow through with and yet i didn't move.
for me to get up would've suggested a definite desire to go there....which was not my intention.
he also knew by my remaining seated and looking at him directly as i spoke without yelling....i was basically inviting him to show me what he was made of intellectually.

to my surprise....he gave me a good solid look-over and decided he had nothing to say and u-turned and went out the far door.

i won't say i won that one
but i will say this loud man was not used to having someone clearly state in one good long sentence everything he needed to hear to his face by an absolute stranger.
mr. macho wasn't very loud after that.


that did kind of make my day to be reminded what mental midgets we're actually dealing with here in general.
what is nevertheless disconcerting is the fact that it is these exact sorts which remain at the helm of steering us towards ongoing disaster....given that opportunity.

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Message 14/32                 Date: 19-Jul-04  @  03:32 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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"this loud man was not used to having someone clearly state in one good long sentence everything he needed to hear to his face by an absolute stranger."

touche. what to say.. "this loud man" is the u.s. telling people off isn't profitable and as we know, "truth is out of style."

he has practiced turning his back on you his entire life.

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Message 15/32                 Date: 19-Jul-04  @  06:55 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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maybe maybe maybe he'll go home and think about it

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Message 16/32                 Date: 19-Jul-04  @  07:56 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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More like he'll go home and think "Some loony almost attacked my little girl" (20 or not, she's HIS little girl... that's a parent thing)....

funny thing about people (not us but those "other people" that we most assuredly aren't cause we see what they do not so don't call me them!!!!!!) they don't respond so well to your way of thinking when you're all in their face big guy pointing fingers and waging ego... instead the APPEAR to get along with you just long enough to get AWAY from you... then they go to the local Taco Bell to eat SHIT and talk about what a bunch of crazy people are in the world... and, hmmm... maybe people like GW are right,,, maybe we do need protection, and a more adversarial mindset... maybe this whole liberal/humanist way of seeing things will just get us in trouble...

hmmmm

you can't wake too many people up with a brick to the head... but, while it takes longer and might be a little less entertaining, gently shaking them and whispering in their ear will start the stirring...

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Message 17/32                 Date: 19-Jul-04  @  09:34 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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I was talking about clay's encounter, not xoxos.

for some reason I thought the girl was a "little" girl...

at 20 youd think she'd be open to alternate viewpoints 

so xoxos thought the movie was a flop then?

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Message 18/32                 Date: 20-Jul-04  @  03:21 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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x...this is how you do THis>

you gently dangle your finger before the girl's lips as she's about to utter some nonsense.....then start softly singing *starry-night.

she'll be like.....

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Message 19/32                 Date: 20-Jul-04  @  05:49 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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e - well, that's the whole point of looking in your eyes.

you'd have to be fucked up to not pick up on if someone wants to kill you atp.. but i was never a threat to them, more someone they could get the upper hand on with 'civic roles,' eg. man and daughter complaining vociferously vs. single guy.. who you gonna side on..

after all, it was them what gone started the whole thing in the first place. they wanted to lay down their nazi manure in the theatre (i guess i must have said something dangerous, like "gee, why don't you people accept responsibility?") and then when i countered, it's time to spray the ink cloud.

i really don't get why you guys try and constantly talk me into writing people love letters they ain't gonna read. you want to depict me as smashing people's heads in with bricks.. shows how much you respect my sense of discretion really.

why don't you go lie down until it's all over, eh, cos i don't want to dirty up you pretty self with the work that needs doing.

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Message 20/32                 Date: 20-Jul-04  @  11:55 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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x quote:
i really don't get why you guys try and constantly talk me into writing people love letters they ain't gonna read.


*well.....that's why you must read it TO them!
they're so used to flat-out hostility since it's their game....
it's a wonder what a well-thrown curve-ball can do.
i know i try to make it sound easy but believe me, i know...it ain't easy.

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Message 21/32                 Date: 21-Jul-04  @  05:14 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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why does anything i described remind you of hostility?

a violent action is not hostile if it isn't directed at anyone. or do you imagine me with my face in a grimace every time i speak because my words describe the mistakes of others? why would someone's error make me angry? is anger your response to error, or is implementing the solution your response...

remember, my father was an intelligence agent for two countries, as i must remind you! :p i was raised with a certain.. disenchantment for emotion. (remember.. one of these countries was *not* the u.s..  

do you not imagine that i am smiling and calm when i engage in diatribe? wouldn't my absolute security in this domain entail this?

when life is so simple that i am able to completely describe the scope of my discernment using text, then i will accept criticism in this medium. until then, indicating that i might misgauge my actions is amusement. there is no need to apologise for my capacity.

obviously, my manner has made an durable impression on you, sir. do i communicate passion? do i experience it?

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Message 22/32                 Date: 21-Jul-04  @  09:15 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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xoxos....
you do okay by me...
which is why i'm rarely reluctant to engage you...or perhaps even challenge you.
push-to-shove you always manage to pull the rabbit-of-reason out-of-the-hat.
in fact, you do more than okay.
sometimes i just like to hear you talk.
sorry if i'm easily amused.

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Message 23/32                 Date: 22-Jul-04  @  12:44 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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hehe, agreed.

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Message 24/32                 Date: 22-Jul-04  @  01:15 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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aawwwwwwwwwww, get a room you two

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Message 25/32                 Date: 22-Jul-04  @  03:42 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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hey....i don't pretend to be shy.

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Message 26/32                 Date: 22-Jul-04  @  06:08 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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no.

no, you don't.

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Message 27/32                 Date: 22-Jul-04  @  04:19 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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do you have a 1-900 #??

easy to be me in an argument, all you have to do is remember that nothing is more ugly or violent than denial, eg. the yogic trance that allows people to commit actions heedless of the consequences.

once you've got that, you can't lose, because this is the absolute gravity of the situation. if i assert the truth violently, it will be defended with greater violence by those who still refuse it.

perhaps it doesn't seem violent to say, "please do be civil," but this is horribly violent when you consider the nature of civility, eg. the automatic imposition of denial. so i am laughing, constantly, at brutes.

everybody observes their own nature.. eventually.... seconds in death even..

so. this violent wording i purport.. no lasting effect?

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50367

"okay another dream... but shorter then the last one....

I was lying in bed with many people (all fully dressed ) and then I said something that somebody at the other end of the bed didn't like and he came over and wanted to wrestle me... it was michael stipe (and I don't even have a single REM record) ....the wrestling part was kinda fun and then we talked about how I like stuff that not so many people know... and explained it like this:

well sometimes I tend to think that I'm kinda special (in a way that nobody is exactly like me - not in a better or worse way) and then I hear a song sung by somebody else and he expresses the way I feel (strange feeling but a very good one - a feeling of home - but a different home then mine)

but then when I realize that many others like those songs for the eact same reason I start to feel unspecial.....

then I woke up"

i am often compared to michael stipes on kvr.. not to say that he is me, but perhaps we both contribute to 'the mouth of conscience.' the bed full of people is obviously a physical abstraction of the noosphere/forum, people all together but platonic..

my guess is an awakening consciousness of noospheric confluence described here..

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Message 28/32                 Date: 23-Jul-04  @  07:14 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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"well sometimes I tend to think that I'm kinda special (in a way that nobody is exactly like me - not in a better or worse way) and then I hear a song sung by somebody else and he expresses the way I feel (strange feeling but a very good one - a feeling of home - but a different home then mine)

but then when I realize that many others like those songs for the eact same reason I start to feel unspecial.....

then I woke up "

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...awesome...

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Message 29/32                 Date: 24-Jul-04  @  07:19 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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Noone believes they are bad themselves. What may be perceived as hostile is rarely an intended hostile act.

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Message 30/32                 Date: 24-Jul-04  @  03:44 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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i know people who KNOW they are bad and know exactly
when they've been VERY bad.
they simply have an ability to accept that part of their nature more than others do.

the will-to-survive supercedes any tendency towards conscience or guilt or responsibility towards others.
it's the id in action without any interfering forces to provide balance.

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Message 31/32                 Date: 24-Jul-04  @  05:25 PM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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i agree.. people know they're bad... how well they disavow this knowledge is usually corollary to their advantage :p

the 'interfering forces' are nescient.. a lack of integrity takes structural damage on impact.. play them fast enough.. it is 'the will to survive' in one's own head that inevitably confronts multiplicity (explains why so many elect the zombie dance) tho most people treat it as the cherry on top for last.

last..

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Message 32/32                 Date: 25-Jul-04  @  06:08 AM   -   RE: this is how we do it

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it's like how much bad things can you do? if you can get 250 million people to all say what we do is good....
as we do bad....
okay...

all together NOW...all together now
ALL together NOW...all together now
all together now!

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